Duke Nukem Forever

[Wally Bear† 0]

Is anyone else besides me excited that the new Duke Nukem game is comin out?

I've already pre-ordered the special edition when I picked up Mortal Kombat and there's a bunch of awesomeness packaged with it!

 

I know, I know Duke Nukem is the epitome of sinful fun in video game form, but we all have guilty pleasures, right?

 

So, getting it or not?

[Ryland† 0]

How could any hardcore gamer pass up Duke Nukem Forever?

 

The original had some of the most legendary dialog in gaming history.

 

WILL definitely be buying it. On PC.

[Wally Bear† 0]

How could any hardcore gamer pass up Duke Nukem Forever?

 

The original had some of the most legendary dialog in gaming history.

 

WILL definitely be buying it. On PC.

 

 

I pre-ordered for my PS3...Love my HD

[koshi† 0]

I know' date=' I know Duke Nukem is the epitome of sinful fun in video game form, but we all have guilty pleasures, right?

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So, why play it, then?

[Wally Bear† 0]

I know' date=' I know Duke Nukem is the epitome of sinful fun in video game form, but we all have guilty pleasures, right?

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So, why play it, then?

 

 

Gamers (like me) have been waiting for this game for 12 years, I've only been saved for 4-5 of them. Nukem is a hilarious game if you like adult humor. It about the only FPS I'll play on my PS3.

 

It's hard to explain...

[foxbunny† 1]

I alwaysthought the bible said something about staying away from obscene stories and coarse jokes somewhere around Ephesians 5:4. I must be misinterpreting the verse.

[Wally Bear† 0]

I alwaysthought the bible said something about staying away from obscene stories and coarse jokes somewhere around Ephesians 5:4. I must be misinterpreting the verse.

 

It says that they are not for us. But we all fall short...my inner gamer runs the show on this subject matter.

[Saz 0]

Seems kind of like the usual christian attitude of "People who do things I consider as sinful are horrible...until I feel like partaking in sin". This game is going to basically be ultraviolence, pornography, lewdness, profanity, and dozens of other forms of negativity that most people on this forum condemn with zeal in other threads. I don't want to sound too critical, but it's a very hypocritical attitude to take to complain about pornography in one thread, then talk about how you can't wait to play a game where you restore health by paying women to take their clothes off and give you a lapdance. I mean, zombiewolf, in another thread you just told me that america losing it's christian values was the reason things are so bad, and then in this thread you talk about how excited you are to basically play interactive violent pornography? Sorry to call you out here but I'm missing something, big time.

[koshi† 0]

Gamers (like me) have been waiting for this game for 12 years' date=' I've only been saved for 4-5 of them. Nukem is a hilarious game if you like adult humor. It about the only FPS I'll play on my PS3.

 

It's hard to explain...

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Even if you've been waiting 12 years for it, don't you think you can pass up one little video game? It is only a material possession after all. :-/

 

Don't get me wrong, I love video games. But the moment you compromise your values for temporary satisfaction is where they become an idol.

 

I don't know if you're the same way, but the type of "humor" that runs rampant in Duke Nukem (and most of modern television) makes me feel sick to my stomach. And it's not worth it to me to suffer through that sick feeling just for a video game, no matter how much I anticipated it.

[foxbunny† 1]

I alwaysthought the bible said something about staying away from obscene stories and coarse jokes somewhere around Ephesians 5:4. I must be misinterpreting the verse.

 

It says that they are not for us. But we all fall short...my inner gamer runs the show on this subject matter.

 

I wonder if anyone would buy it if someone used this excuse for hardcore pornography?

[Carson Coyote† 0]

I alwaysthought the bible said something about staying away from obscene stories and coarse jokes somewhere around Ephesians 5:4. I must be misinterpreting the verse.

 

It says that they are not for us. But we all fall short...my inner gamer runs the show on this subject matter.

 

I wonder if anyone would buy it if someone used this excuse for hardcore pornography?

 

I thought that's what he was using this for...

[Kail† 0]

I myself am a huge gamer, but even fantasy can take things too far. I can deal with fantasy settings that are secular, because well, it's not real. However, regardless of what a game is based on, or what's in it, if there's something in it that causes us to sin, we have to separate ourselves from it.

 

In any game, there's things we have to consider:

 

1.) Is this going to hurt my relationship with God?

2.) Is this going to hurt my witness?

3.) Can I glorify God by playing this game?

- If so, what elements in the game can help me focus more on God?

4.) Do I play this game because it's leisurely and fun, or do I play it in order to gratify my flesh?

 

For me, I hate to say it, but even some aspects of Final Fantasy games are crude (suggestive themes). It doesn't cause me to stumble, but it is irritating to see in a game that would otherwise be just fine. Is that going to cause me to stop playing it? It hasn't before, but the question is, should it have made me want to?

 

*ADD ON: Some things depend on the context we take it in, but we have to make sure that in all we do, we're glorifying God and not shaming His name. :|

 

There's sin everywhere we go in life that we see on TV, in public, everywhere. Seeing a sin being committed in a fantasy setting is tricky, because we can't necessarily go into the TV and say "that's sinful, stop that!" We have disdain for what we see, but typically we overlook the sin and focus on the main messages / plot lines of what we enjoy. Is that Biblical--to overlook sin in fictional settings if it doesn't cause us to stumble? I don't know. Should I try harder to figure that out? More than likely.

 

One thing I have to realize in my own gaming life is that if there's a game that God would have me not play because of its content, and I don't want to stop playing it, then I really have to do some soul-searching and praying that God would change my heart, and I'd have to really be willing to give it up for Him.

 

I'm curious to hear what other people think about the topic of sin in fictional settings, especially the interactive variety. This new Duke Nukem game though sounds like it has a lot of sinful stuff in it, stuff that could arouse lust and sin in real life. If that's the case, then it probably wouldn't be smart to subject oneself to it.

[Ryland† 0]

When did he ever say that he was going to use this game for porn? If you want porn, you go to a porn website. Not buy a 50 dollar video game.

 

The game is going to have to have a content filther for nudity. Otherwise, it will effect people who want to livestream/youtube playthrough's of the game.

 

I do agree with Kail, that if the game causes you to sin, don't play it. However I have not seen Wally mention anything about using this game for porn... Seems as if you guys might be a little judgemental.

 

Personally, I will be buying this game for the fun of playing a first person shooter, plus Duke Nukem 3D had some of the best dialoge in gaming history.

 

Plus I don't think its fair to complain about one game, and not the other. I know for a fact that quite a few members here play Fallout: New Vegas. In that game, there is hookers, prostitutes, gambling, you can be a serial killer, do drugs, ect...

 

I know a few other members here play WoW, that game promotes whitchcraft.

 

Im not meaning to be rude or anything, but it seems like you guys are being a bit hypocritical and judgemental.

[Flechmen 0]

I've never been into Nukem. I'll stick to Descent I think.

[Wisconsin Wolf† 0]

I alwaysthought the bible said something about staying away from obscene stories and coarse jokes somewhere around Ephesians 5:4. I must be misinterpreting the verse.

 

You are indeed misinterpreting the verse. First off it says "3 Immorality, or any impurity or greed must not be mentioned among you, as it is not fitting for holy ones,4 no obscenity or silly or suggestive talk, which is out of place, but instead thanks giving". Be aware that this is applying to a you yourself, not a video game character. Don't worry though fox bunny I'll remind Duke Nukem that he needs to clean up his act if he wants to get into heaven.

 

 

"Seems kind of like the usual christian attitude of "People who do things I consider as sinful are horrible...until I feel like partaking in sin". This game is going to basically be ultraviolence, pornography, lewdness, profanity, and dozens of other forms of negativity that most people on this forum condemn with zeal in other threads. I don't want to sound too critical, but it's a very hypocritical attitude to take to complain about pornography in one thread, then talk about how you can't wait to play a game where you restore health by paying women to take their clothes off and give you a lapdance. I mean, zombiewolf, in another thread you just told me that america losing it's christian values was the reason things are so bad, and then in this thread you talk about how excited you are to basically play interactive violent pornography? Sorry to call you out here but I'm missing something, big time:"

 

Saz, last time I checked a number of those things you can do in the game are optional. You could just as easily go onto almost any RPG game when you have the choice to be good or evil and say "Well that game gives u the option of making your VIDEO GAME CHARACTER do this horrible things it shouldn't be played" Sorry to call you out but I think you are missing out on something, the fact that an electrical program is doing those things in an unrealistic world which has no impact on anyone in the real world.

[Saz 0]

 

Saz' date=' last time I checked a number of those things you can do in the game are optional. You could just as easily go onto almost any RPG game when you have the choice to be good or evil and say "Well that game gives u the option of making your VIDEO GAME CHARACTER do this horrible things it shouldn't be played" Sorry to call you out but I think you are missing out on something, the fact that an electrical program is doing those things in an unrealistic world which has no impact on anyone in the real world.

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This is some pretty hilarious rationalization considering one of the three trailers released for the games is simply called "babes" and is pretty much nothing but breasts, sex, and lesbian schoolgirls.

 

I have no problem with these games, but my eyeroll moment is how so many members of this forum go up in arms about morality in america and then get giddy to play a game that's based exclusively on sexual imagery and violence. Wasn't there just a thread raging on "glee" because it promoted homosexuallity? (its ok: lesbian schoolgirls are DIFFERENT YOU SEE!") It's amazingly delusional if not hypocritical how many of you gobble up stuff like fallout NV and duke nukem while getting into a huff about other "liberal media". In one thread your position is "THIS IS WHY I DONT WATCH TV, THOSE HOMOSEXUALS!" vs "sweet, duke nukem, a game thats based entirely on gratuitous violence, Lesbians, and nudity" I know the irony can't be lost here, it's just too thick.

[Wisconsin Wolf† 0]

 

Saz' date=' last time I checked a number of those things you can do in the game are optional. You could just as easily go onto almost any RPG game when you have the choice to be good or evil and say "Well that game gives u the option of making your VIDEO GAME CHARACTER do this horrible things it shouldn't be played" Sorry to call you out but I think you are missing out on something, the fact that an electrical program is doing those things in an unrealistic world which has no impact on anyone in the real world.

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This is some pretty hilarious rationalization considering one of the three trailers released for the games is simply called "babes" and is pretty much nothing but breasts, sex, and lesbian schoolgirls.

 

I have no problem with these games, but my eyeroll moment is how so many members of this forum go up in arms about morality in america and then get giddy to play a game that's based exclusively on sexual imagery and violence. Wasn't there just a thread raging on "glee" because it promoted homosexuallity? (its ok: lesbian schoolgirls are DIFFERENT YOU SEE!") It's amazingly delusional if not hypocritical how many of you gobble up stuff like fallout NV and duke nukem while getting into a huff about other "liberal media". In one thread your position is "THIS IS WHY I DONT WATCH TV, THOSE HOMOSEXUALS!" vs "sweet, duke nukem, a game thats based entirely on gratuitous violence, Lesbians, and nudity" I know the irony can't be lost here, it's just too thick.

 

1. Liberals tend to warp Christianity making them bad, case in point churches that say homosexuals can get married are all liberal churches.

 

2.when people think of duke nukem they think "I'm going to go blow up some aliens and say a bunch of one liners" not " I wonder how many boobs I can see in this game" As previously stated but yet so quickly dismissed by you was the valid point made by zombie wolf. Porn is free and of higher quality then a video game could ever offer so why pay $50 for that. You're logic is very flawed sir, people buy games like fallout and duke nukem because the character is typically a Rambo type character that goes around killing bad guys. Now isn't that the part of what video games are about that makes people love them or am I missing something big time again:-/ Btw, koshkat made the statement about not watching the tv not me get your facts straight. Oh, and try not to act completely oblivious to the excellent points made by zombie wolf who you previous took your time to viciously go after before continuing.

[Kail† 0]

"Don't worry though fox bunny I'll remind Duke Nukem that he needs to clean up his act if he wants to get into heaven."

 

Watch it, Wisconsin. :| Foxbunny has a strong point.

 

I wonder if anyone would buy it if someone used this excuse for hardcore pornography?

 

Foxbunny was being very blunt, but he has a point. Us saying that we all fall short, denoting that we know what we're doing is sinful, but doing it anyway is a slap in God's face.

 

Sometimes I feel like you lack tact, Foxbunny, and seem sometimes to lord what you know over other people, and demean them to some degree... hence Wisconsin's snide remark. However, there's some things we can't sugarcoat, and this is one of those things.

 

We're all learning and growing Christians--we don't have it all together and it is NOT our job to be the Holy Spirit for everyone else.

 

We're here to love and support each other in our walk, not embitter each other with snide remarks or condescending tones.

[Saz 0]

 

2.when people think of duke nukem they think "I'm going to go blow up some aliens and say a bunch of one liners" not " I wonder how many boobs I can see in this game" As previously stated but yet so quickly dismissed by you was the valid point made by zombie wolf.

 

Ah yes' date=' vulgar one-liners about ripping heads off and defacating down necks, accompanied by ultra-violence. Surely the type of entertainment values a christian wants to associate themselves with. The nudity is just icing on the cake!

 

Also, are you saying that with a straight face? You think the sex appeal isn't one of the main selling point of duke nukem? Go watch the recent "babes" trailer, it's 2 minutes of breasts and sex one-liners, not an alien in sight haha. The trailer before that one featured "lesbian schoolgirls" as it's selling point.

 

 

Btw, koshkat made the statement about not watching the tv not me get your facts straight

 

That was intended for zombiewolf, one of the four other "wolf" posters and I quoted you instead, it's hard to keep you guys straight, sorry

[foxbunny† 1]

I alwaysthought the bible said something about staying away from obscene stories and coarse jokes somewhere around Ephesians 5:4. I must be misinterpreting the verse.

 

You are indeed misinterpreting the verse. First off it says "3 Immorality' date=' or any impurity or greed must not be mentioned among you, as it is not fitting for holy ones,4 no obscenity or silly or suggestive talk, which is out of place, but instead thanks giving". Be aware that this is applying to a you yourself, not a video game character. Don't worry though fox bunny I'll remind Duke Nukem that he needs to clean up his act if he wants to get into heaven.

 

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Let's take your interpretation...

You're saying that this verse only applies to participating, not simply observing or being associated with.

Therefore:

It's OK for me to watch something sexually immoral (pornography) so long as I don't participate in the act.

It's OK for me to hang around with people swearing and cursing God so long as I don't participate.

 

Do you REALLY think that that was the intent?

 

I could also turn this around and use your interpretation to note that because Duke Nukem engages in these behaviors we shouldn't even TALK about Duke Nukem because it says to not let these things be spoken of among you.

 

I don't think either of those is the interpretation.

 

There are two common interpretations:

1) We should not put ourselves (as Believers) into situations where any of these things would be assumed to have occurred. Believers should live in such a way that such accusations are unthinkable. i.e. Don't go into a brothel because then it looks like you did something bad.

2) That we should not (as Believers) not speak of these things as though they are OK in any way as to invite people to participate in them. i.e. Don't say, "porn or bad language really isn't that bad."

 

So... I don't think that I'm having an interpretation issue here.

[Wally Bear† 0]

I alwaysthought the bible said something about staying away from obscene stories and coarse jokes somewhere around Ephesians 5:4. I must be misinterpreting the verse.

 

It says that they are not for us. But we all fall short...my inner gamer runs the show on this subject matter.

 

I wonder if anyone would buy it if someone used this excuse for hardcore pornography?

 

 

I'm sure there are people who do' date=' they used it on an episode of Criminal Minds.[hr']

I myself am a huge gamer' date=' but even fantasy can take things too far. I can deal with fantasy settings that are secular, because well, it's not real. However, regardless of what a game is based on, or what's in it, if there's something in it that causes us to sin, we have to separate ourselves from it.

 

In any game, there's things we have to consider:

 

1.) Is this going to hurt my relationship with God?

2.) Is this going to hurt my witness?

3.) Can I glorify God by playing this game?

- If so, what elements in the game can help me focus more on God?

4.) Do I play this game because it's leisurely and fun, or do I play it in order to gratify my flesh?

 

For me, I hate to say it, but even some aspects of Final Fantasy games are crude (suggestive themes). It doesn't cause me to stumble, but it is irritating to see in a game that would otherwise be just fine. Is that going to cause me to stop playing it? It hasn't before, but the question is, should it have made me want to?

 

*ADD ON: Some things depend on the context we take it in, but we have to make sure that in all we do, we're glorifying God and not shaming His name. :|

 

There's sin everywhere we go in life that we see on TV, in public, everywhere. Seeing a sin being committed in a fantasy setting is tricky, because we can't necessarily go into the TV and say "that's sinful, stop that!" We have disdain for what we see, but typically we overlook the sin and focus on the main messages / plot lines of what we enjoy. Is that Biblical--to overlook sin in fictional settings if it [b']doesn't[/b] cause us to stumble? I don't know. Should I try harder to figure that out? More than likely.

 

One thing I have to realize in my own gaming life is that if there's a game that God would have me not play because of its content, and I don't want to stop playing it, then I really have to do some soul-searching and praying that God would change my heart, and I'd have to really be willing to give it up for Him.

 

I'm curious to hear what other people think about the topic of sin in fictional settings, especially the interactive variety. This new Duke Nukem game though sounds like it has a lot of sinful stuff in it, stuff that could arouse lust and sin in real life. If that's the case, then it probably wouldn't be smart to subject oneself to it.

 

 

 

 

Games are games, an escape from real world, that's it. Some people take it too far like the Final Fantasy nerds, but in the end it was just to waste a few hours that you had no idea what to do with them in the first place.

 

And as much as you try, you can't fully escape this world unless your a hermit. Like you said, there's sin everywhere, we can't avoid it. So, unless your going to build a colony of fundamental believers I'm going to enjoy the story line, which has nothing to do with what your talking about.

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At least ZombieWolf is on my side...you know this is posted in the game thread (which is all things gaming) so you guys are flippin your lid in the wrong thread.

[koshi† 0]

But just because we can't fully escape sin doesn't mean we shouldn't try. And games are an escape from the real world, but they can potentially create problems for us in real life (i.e. vulgarity in a video game can lead to an increasingly coarse sense of humor, which could lead to other sin, and could potentially destroy your witness).

 

About this being in the wrong thread, it probably is - but as brothers and sisters in Christ, we're supposed to build each other up, even if it means letting someone else know that what they're doing isn't pleasing to God. And starting a whole other thread about it doesn't seem like the best course of action. Imagine if somebody who was lost came here and saw one thread that bashed the game, and another that praised it.

 

On a side note, I get tired of hearing people say, "Well, this game/movie/comic/etc. is OK for me, because I can resist the temptation." That's essentially like an addict saying, "I can quit whenever I want!"

[Ryland† 0]

Imagine if somebody who was lost came here and saw one thread that bashed the game' date=' and another that praised it.

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You make a very good point right there.

 

I personally will not be buying the game now, because it is my money, and the more money that the developers make off of this game, the more encouraged they will feel to put this kindof content in their next game.

 

Maybe you guys do not understand, but I do not support pornography at all. I was willing to make a compromise for Duke Nukem simply because I loved the first one. Lots of gamers will agree that Duke Nukem is a special kindof game. And since it was a game, there would have to be some type of nudity filter on the game. They would just lose too many sales if there was not, think about all the youtube commentators, or livestream guys who do playthroughs of these games, people would all the sudden start having very mature content on their channels. If I found out there was not going to be a nudity filter that I could use, I simply would not buy it.

 

Maybe I was able to clear up you guy's confusion.

[Flechmen 0]

I watched the trailer and it looks like the guys making the trailer had the gore turned off, but it still showed high definition school girls kissing each other before they got smushed by monsters and nude women dancing against poles and... monster breasts...

 

Yea, I don't see this as something a Christian forum should be promoting.